I think in general serial numbers do play an important role in the commercial market especially electronics and other high end items. The history of Ludwig Drums - The Vintage Drum Guide shows you Ludwig Finishes, Ludwig Drum Badges, Ludwig Drum Set catalog pages, Ludwig Snare Drum catalog pages and the most complete Ludwig history all on one vintage drum web site. The magnet test is not useful to differentiate the shells because neither brass nor aluminum will attract a magnet. How to Date Ludwig Drums — Ludwig Serial Number Chart 2 plus more history. Cook's table, I am not sure what will. For this reason and the aforementioned trend of updating vintage drums, hardware will not be covered in this guide.
A magnet will attract to the steel hoops but not to the brass hoops. If one presents the information without the proper context, as is done when one simply copies a table without its accompanying explanatory material, then it is easy for the reader to misinterpret the information. Non-use of serial numbers would certainly impact the number of years it would take to reach 1170xxx. Sburloti, who published his book Ludwig Yesterday and Today in 1999, estimated dates for many of his drums, but did not have a strong basis for many of these estimates. As always, we are learning and researching and adding new items to this web site, like our rare and never seen Ludwig Factory Videos from 1964! I have the same frustration with the Standard series. If you have this badge you can't use the serial number guides below.
Quick Company Guide: Ludwig Drum Company - Information Below Slingerland Drums - Rogers Drums - A few people are trying to create a guide, but the best way is the physical characteristics Leedy - Physical characteristics Gretsch - Physical characteristics Anyone left out - Physical characterisitics So if you finally made it to this point then you are almost there! Sburlati along with information he had obtained from other contributors and his own research. First of all, that is rude. Here are some specific features to look for if you want to identify a Super-Ludwig from a Supra-Phonic. I think this may be because of the Acousti-Perfect snare bed design which is more gradual and less deep than crimped snare beds. From the inception of date-stamping in 1960 through 1963, Ludwig solely used red ink. The Imperial lugs on both models are the same overall size, but each of the three ridged plains of the lugs on a Super-Ludwig are smaller than they are on the Supra-Phonic lug. In the 60's Insurance companies made it mandatory that serial numbers be put on items so they can be documented.
It appears that most of the effort on Ludwig drum dating focused on the Keystone badge drums. Rick I have a proposal: There's lot of ebay with serial numbers on badges and shell interior stamp, described in auctions every week. The more coveted vintage drums feature the 3-ply construction. I also explain my methodology to anyone who wants to properly use my dating guide. I do recommend that if you have an early Super or Supra that you will realize the best feel and tuning when using a single ply, coated drum head.
In total, I have information from over 3,000 drums. Look through past printed manufacturer's catalogs. In addition, the design of the Supra-Phonic Imperial lugs was altered very slightly. The difficulty in date stamps is, more often than not, that the stamp has been rendered illegible or removed completely due to the wear and tear of the years. Whether this is because of lack of interest, lack of interior date stamps, or some other reason, I am not sure.
Cook's chart, there were only 60,000 serial numbers used in 1971 and 20,000 used in 1972. Follow this link to YouTube video showing press rolls played on Super-Ludwig:. Thank you for taking the time to absorb this tiny slice of Ludwig drum history. We have an extensive collection of Ludwig history; Ludwig Badges, Ludwig Serial Numbers, Ludwig Drum Set Catalog Scans, Ludwig Snare Drum Catalog Scans, Ludwig Jazzette History, Ludwig Standard History, Ludwig Acrolite History, Ludwig Black Beauty History, Ludwig Finishes, Ludwig Products and Ludwig Memorabilia dating back to the companies beginning in the early 1900's. After the brass models, the Supra-Phonic shell material was made of spun aluminum with no welds. The Supra-Phonic can look really terrible with the bubbling chrome finishes but that has absolutely zero effect on the sound and playability of the drum.
What leaps out at me in that picture is the missing fender washers on the tom bracket. How to Date Ludwig Drums — Ludwig Serial Number Chart 1 plus more history. Attempt to match the serial number with a dedicated website. For anyone who takes this as criticism of Mr. This is likely because of lack of available data. Both drums have a good range of tunability from the low end of useful head response up to a high and tight tuning. If you fill out and submit information about your drums via the page , I will try to help you to estimate the date of manufacture of your drums.
I know their numbers are incorrect because I have drums with six digit serial numbers, bought as a factory set in 1974, that start with 957, 958, 959, 961 and 969. However, I contend that their information is limited and not particularly reliable. If you have this badge you can't use the serial number guides below. Often, these types of publications are subject specific such as vintage drums and have pictures and descriptions of vintage instruments. Below you will find information for dating the serial numbers on Ludwig Drums.
Unfortunately drum companies never really prescribed to any code of documenting a drum based on that serial number. When I was developing my dating guide for Ludwig drums, Mr. Cook shared with me the raw data which he used when he was developing his dating guide. Other special features like badges, shell plys and the interior finish all help in giving you a date range of your drums manufacture. However, it is possible to find some very early Supra-Phonics with one or both of the hoops being chrome over brass. These are the gold standards for identifying a vintage Ludwig drum.
He later became an outplacement consultant, then a retail business consultant. Thanks for stopping by and take a look at our special eBay searches on our. However, on the Super-Ludwig models, there is a second shorter flange at the final edge that curls back and slightly under the primary collar. Now, get out there and grab a piece of history. Because the approach is serial number based, it only applies to Gretsch drums with serial numbers starting in about 1962, Ludwig main line drums with serial numbers starting in late 1963. Cook relied heavily upon information provided by Mike Machat and Paolo Sburlati.